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	<title>Comments on: Quarterback Conundrum: Part II</title>
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		<title>By: Fanspeak - Voice Your Passion! &#8212; Blog &#8212; Scariest Thing I&#39;ve Ever Read As A Skins Fan</title>
		<link>http://fanspeak.com/steveospeak/2010/02/26/quarterback-conundrum-part-ii/comment-page-1/#comment-434</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Mar 2010 15:42:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] 1st round quarterbacks is a risky proposition that doesn&#8217;t always work out, making the drafting of Bradford or Claussen a mistake to begin with, for the rebuilding Redskins. [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Steve Shoup</title>
		<link>http://fanspeak.com/steveospeak/2010/02/26/quarterback-conundrum-part-ii/comment-page-1/#comment-379</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve Shoup</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Mar 2010 14:51:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree completely James. It amazes me every year how quarterbacks get forced into going into the first round out of I guess desperation. I think that the bust rate for quarterbacks is about as high as any position, though some positions are noticeably much less, for instance offensive tackle.  But I think people do focus more on the quarterbacks because the position is important as well as high profile. Not to mention that quarterbacks get paid quite a bit more than any other position, so that makes them being a bust quite a bit more painful.

And I agree people forget football is a team game. You need to have at least a decent or good quarterback to succeed in the league, but you don&#039;t alway need a great one. People also ignore the idea that a number of quarterbacks have great weapons around them. Now obviously Brett Favre and Peyton Manning can throw the ball to anyone, but look at Tom Brady. Always a good QB (though I dislike him personally), but his numbers weren&#039;t really &#039;great&#039; until he had Moss and Welker to throw to. Yet people assume he is a &#039;great quarterback&#039; because of his Super Bowl wins. In fact Drew Brees has better career numbers than Brady despite less starts, and has taken two teams to the playoffs and he&#039;s not by and large considered as good as Brady. I just don&#039;t get it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree completely James. It amazes me every year how quarterbacks get forced into going into the first round out of I guess desperation. I think that the bust rate for quarterbacks is about as high as any position, though some positions are noticeably much less, for instance offensive tackle.  But I think people do focus more on the quarterbacks because the position is important as well as high profile. Not to mention that quarterbacks get paid quite a bit more than any other position, so that makes them being a bust quite a bit more painful.</p>
<p>And I agree people forget football is a team game. You need to have at least a decent or good quarterback to succeed in the league, but you don&#8217;t alway need a great one. People also ignore the idea that a number of quarterbacks have great weapons around them. Now obviously Brett Favre and Peyton Manning can throw the ball to anyone, but look at Tom Brady. Always a good QB (though I dislike him personally), but his numbers weren&#8217;t really &#8216;great&#8217; until he had Moss and Welker to throw to. Yet people assume he is a &#8216;great quarterback&#8217; because of his Super Bowl wins. In fact Drew Brees has better career numbers than Brady despite less starts, and has taken two teams to the playoffs and he&#8217;s not by and large considered as good as Brady. I just don&#8217;t get it.</p>
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		<title>By: James F. Cargo</title>
		<link>http://fanspeak.com/steveospeak/2010/02/26/quarterback-conundrum-part-ii/comment-page-1/#comment-357</link>
		<dc:creator>James F. Cargo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Mar 2010 09:09:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great article.  I think the assumption that all elite teams must have an elite QB stems from the disproportionate amount of credit/blame that QBs receive.  If a team is winning, people tend to assume that their quarterback is the reason for that, when in reality he&#039;s just one of 22 starters.  It doesn&#039;t surprise me that casual fans would fall into that line of thinking, but what&#039;s really infuriating is when professional GMs make the same mistakes.  (I&#039;m looking at you, Jerry Angelo.)  

A quarterback&#039;s job changes probably more than other other position from college to the NFL, which makes them more difficult to evaluate.  Even if the player was in a &quot;pro-style&quot; offense, he wasn&#039;t necessarily playing against &quot;pro-style&quot; defenses.  (The BCS and college scheduling ensures that elite college teams or play each other one or two games a year, which I think also contributes to the inability to evaluate players in the draft, but that&#039;s an entirely separate rant.)  

I&#039;m not sure if there are more first round busts at QB than at other positions, or if those busts are just noticed more.  If that&#039;s true, I think a big part of the reason would be that entirely too many are taken in the first round to begin with.  As you pointed out three or more QBs might be taken in the first round of a given draft, but no one would think of taking the third best Center, OLB, or Safety in Round 1.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great article.  I think the assumption that all elite teams must have an elite QB stems from the disproportionate amount of credit/blame that QBs receive.  If a team is winning, people tend to assume that their quarterback is the reason for that, when in reality he&#8217;s just one of 22 starters.  It doesn&#8217;t surprise me that casual fans would fall into that line of thinking, but what&#8217;s really infuriating is when professional GMs make the same mistakes.  (I&#8217;m looking at you, Jerry Angelo.)  </p>
<p>A quarterback&#8217;s job changes probably more than other other position from college to the NFL, which makes them more difficult to evaluate.  Even if the player was in a &#8220;pro-style&#8221; offense, he wasn&#8217;t necessarily playing against &#8220;pro-style&#8221; defenses.  (The BCS and college scheduling ensures that elite college teams or play each other one or two games a year, which I think also contributes to the inability to evaluate players in the draft, but that&#8217;s an entirely separate rant.)  </p>
<p>I&#8217;m not sure if there are more first round busts at QB than at other positions, or if those busts are just noticed more.  If that&#8217;s true, I think a big part of the reason would be that entirely too many are taken in the first round to begin with.  As you pointed out three or more QBs might be taken in the first round of a given draft, but no one would think of taking the third best Center, OLB, or Safety in Round 1.</p>
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		<title>By: willypops</title>
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		<dc:creator>willypops</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Feb 2010 18:25:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good analysis.  Most teams that are drafting the franchise QB have been pretty awful, meaning that the rookie is coming to a team that doesn&#039;t have a solid supporting cast in place.  And most teams can&#039;t demonstrate the patience needed to bring that QB along slowly - they succumb to the fan/media pressure to start him right away.  And then more often than not things go from bad to worse.  Back in the day (50&#039;s &amp; 60&#039;s) the thinking was that you couldn&#039;t expect a QB to be productive and lead your team until he&#039;d been around for about 4 or 5 years!  Could you imagine a GM or Head Coach today being that patient?  But again, that was back in the day!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good analysis.  Most teams that are drafting the franchise QB have been pretty awful, meaning that the rookie is coming to a team that doesn&#8217;t have a solid supporting cast in place.  And most teams can&#8217;t demonstrate the patience needed to bring that QB along slowly &#8211; they succumb to the fan/media pressure to start him right away.  And then more often than not things go from bad to worse.  Back in the day (50&#8242;s &amp; 60&#8242;s) the thinking was that you couldn&#8217;t expect a QB to be productive and lead your team until he&#8217;d been around for about 4 or 5 years!  Could you imagine a GM or Head Coach today being that patient?  But again, that was back in the day!</p>
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